Túrin: “Simple Twist of Fate”, or “Freewill”

Yes, I referenced both Bob Dylan and Rush in the title of this essay. Fair warning: that may very well be the essay’s high point. After all, philosophers have been debating—without a certain answer—the nature of free will for centuries, and I’m unlikely to solve it here. (Spoiler alert: I don’t really try.) But it’s such a fascinating subject in the context of Professor Tolkien’s legendarium—and, especially, in the life of Túrin Turambar—that I cannot help but offer my thoughts on the matter.1

If you’ve been listening to the podcasts, you know that Shawn and I have recently released our Túrin Turambar trilogy of episodes. In the course of preparing for those recordings, I wanted to explore the way that Tolkien addressed the apparent paradox between the way he presents ‘fate’ and the exercise of free will — both among Men in general, and in Túrin in particular.

As with many of the essays I’ve written, this is a rather long one. The topic of free will is not simple; add the way Tolkien addressed the interaction of free will and fate, and then add the additional complexity of Morgoth’s Curse and… well, you end up with a very long essay. So bear with me, please; I hope you’ll find it illuminating.


Could Morgoth actually negate the Free Will
with which Túrin was endowed by Ilúvatar?
Could Ilúvatar himself?


To start, then, I should define free will—insofar as a definition is possible—so that we’re clear on what it means in this essay. Generally speaking, free will is the capacity of a person to choose a course of action from multiple alternatives — but that’s not sufficient for this discussion. Most philosophers agree that the concept of free will is tied to the concept of moral responsibility. For purposes of this essay, then, free will is the ability of a person to exercise control over their conduct in a manner necessary for moral responsibility.2

Note that this does not mean that free will requires the ability to make any and all imaginable choices; a person may be limited to certain choices by their nature, yet still be morally responsible for their actions. An example of this is that an Elf may not choose to leave Arda — they are bound to the planet for its lifetime, whether they are embodied or not. That does not mean, for our discussion, that Elves lack free will. This limitation is simply due to their nature. Similarly, Man may not choose to remain in Arda — it is a limitation of their nature. Within the limitations of their natures, then, rational beings make choices: those choices, if they are not determined by prior causes or by divine intervention, are said to be made of ‘free will’ and the rational being is responsible for his or her choice.

With that cleared up (ha!), even a cursory reading of Tolkien shows that his characters are held morally responsible for their actions. Let’s take a look at a few examples:

  • In the case of the Ainur, Melkor was chained as punishment for his rebellion. Additionally, Ilúvatar refused to further mend the Dwarves, who were created in an act of disobedience by Aulë. Aulë’s responsibility for his rebellious act can also be seen in the way he responds to being called out by Ilúvatar: repentance for an act he knew was wrong.
  • For the Elves, we see that Mandos holds the Elvish fëar, determining when (or even if, in the case of Fëanor) they get rehoused. We also see the Doom of the Noldor, the famous prophecy that is both an announcement of delayed punishment, and a statement of natural consequences for rebellion and mass murder.
  • For Men, we see the prolonged life of the Númenóreans, as well as Andor, the Land of Gift, as rewards for the faithfulness of the Edain. Later, we see the destruction of this same land, Númenor, for rebellion against the Valar and Ilúvatar.

There are many more, of course—including examples for Dwarves and Hobbits—but this should suffice to begin the discussion. The point is this: I believe we can safely say that the races of Middle-earth possess free will as defined above.

But, importantly for this discussion, we are also told that Men have “a virtue to shape their life, amid the powers and chances of the world, beyond the Music of the Ainur, which is as fate to all things else…” So do Men have more free will? Or is it, rather, that ‘fate’ (i.e. the Music of the Ainur) simply doesn’t limit the results of their exercise of free will to the same extent that it limits the results of the free will of the Elves? I think the latter is a more accurate way of putting it — since free will is an either/or. That is, one either possesses the ability to control one’s own conduct in a manner necessary for moral responsibility or one does not. Since the possession of free will (in accordance with the earlier definition) is a binary and not a gradient, and we see that both Elves and Men possess it, we must logically conclude that the Music (i.e., ‘fate’) impacts the Elves differently than it does Men. I share the conclusion of Verlyn Flieger who wrote (in Splintered Light: Logos and Language in Tolkien’s World) that:

In bestowing this capability on mortals while withholding it from the immortal Elves, Tolkien has deliberately introduced a paradox, a world guided by both fate and free will…. [He] presents situations in which Elves appear to be given a choice between good and evil or in which the decisions of Men have the power to affect the fates of Elves. A possible distinction between them may be that Men are given the power to act beyond the Music (that is, to alter external events or circumstances), while Elves, though bound by the Music, have the freedom to make internal choices, to alter some attitude toward themselves or other creatures or Eru. They have power over their own natures, though not over external happenings.

It appears, then, that both Elves and Men can make internal choices, altering their own attitudes, reactions, etc., but Men have the additional ability to actually effect external events and circumstances so as to change what the Music would have otherwise deemed to happen. This seems a reasonable distinction — and one which lines up with Tolkien’s own words.

Flieger cites Tolkien’s Letter #181, where Tolkien writes that both Elves and Men were “rational creatures of free will in regard to God”. She believes (and I agree) that “this implies a kind of Boëthian concept in which the mind of God encompasses any design perceivable by any of his creatures”.

We’ll take a sidebar to talk more on Boethius now, because it’s essential to answering our key questions, which are:

  • In Tolkien’s world, are free will and fate compatible? If so, how?
  • And precisely what is fate anyway?
  • Did Túrin act with free will, or did Morgoth’s Curse create unavoidable doom?

Boethius was a 6th-century philosopher whose famous work, Consolation of Philosophy, was written while he was in prison in 523 AD. As he awaited his eventual execution for a crime he did not commit, he wrote this book as a conversation with “Lady Philosophy” — not surprisingly, he asks her questions about the nature of predestination and free will, how evil can exist in a world run by God, and topics like human nature, virtue, justice, etc. It became a very popular book in the Middle Ages and was translated into several languages — including, most notably as it relates to Tolkien, Old English by King Alfred the Great.3 Of course, Tolkien was very much a scholar of Old English, so one would expect him to have been familiar with King Alfred’s translation, if not the original Latin. In fact, it turns out that excerpts from King Alfred’s translation were included in the texts for Tolkien’s final English examinations. Tom Shippey says that Tolkien knew this translation well.4

It’s not surprising, then, that Tolkien seemed to adopt a Boethian view of providence, fate and free will in his legendarium. Let me explain what that means — as simply as I can, though; otherwise, this could go on for ages.

In this view, time itself is a created thing; thus, God (or Eru) exists outside of time (atemporal). This solves the problem of determinism; an (over-simplified) argument of which would go thusly: “God, in the past, knew that you were going to read this essay in the present. Thus, you were not free to choose otherwise; therefore, you did not act with free will.” The Boethian solution is to say that, with God being outside of time, there is no past / present / future, and that all is present to Him, thus free will is not incompatible with the concept of providence or fate. We can see some of this when Tolkien mentions Eru’s “Timeless Halls”: Ilúvatar exists outside of time and thus all things are known to him as though every instant was the present — yet this truth does not diminish the free agency of the Children of Ilúvatar.

It also means that Tolkien may view fate as the temporal ‘unfolding’ of providence — that is, the creation, in our linear timeframe, of the providence of Ilúvatar. We see this, almost literally, in a line about the Music: “… the halls of Eä, whose life is Time, which flows ever from the first note to the last chord of Eru.” Recall, of course, that Ilúvatar has reminded Melkor (and all of us) that “no theme may be played that has not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite.”

Let me have someone else say it better (as they usually do). In Wayne Hammond and Christina Scull’s Reader’s Guide, there is a note on “Free Will and Fate”; in that note, they cite Kathleen Dubs who wrote an article called “Providence, Fate and Chance: Boethian Philosophy in The Lord of the Rings”.5 In this piece, she concludes that:

seeming contradictions can be resolved by following Boethius in distinguishing providence, which orders the universe; fate, the temporal manifestation of that order; chance, that fate which occurs not according to our expectations, and for causes of which we are unaware; and, of course, freedom of will, which operates as part of this providential order. It is the fusion of all these concepts that gives complexity to Tolkien’s fantasy, and which in large part accounts for its continual intellectual and imaginative appeal. For the very fusion of the paradoxical elements … gives an impression of authenticity to the work. As readers, on the one hand, we identify with Tolkien’s characters, sharing their uncertainty… . On the other hand we follow an omniscient author, and sense his repeated — though often subtle — assurances that … all will turn out well. (emphasis added)

Let’s recap, then:

  • Providence: orders the universe (Eru Ilúvatar, the divine reason)
  • Fate: the temporal manifestation of that order (how we see it come to pass in our linear timeframe)
  • Chance: the fate which occurs unexpectedly, and for unknown reasons (things that seem random, but are actually fate — e.g., Bilbo finding the Ring)
  • Freedom of Will: the ability of individuals to exercise control over their conduct

Okay, so now we have a better understanding of fate — or at least how fate is viewed in Tolkien’s world. This resolves many situations in the text that might otherwise seem paradoxical, like the “chance” meeting between Gandalf and Thorin in Bree, Bilbo being “meant” to find the Ring, and Elrond’s nod to fate when he said that “this task is appointed for you, Frodo” while simultaneously acknowledging free will by saying “if you take it freely, I will say that your choice is right”. Was it Providence? Or Fate? Or Chance? Or Freedom of Will? The answer is actually (e) all of the above.

Let’s look at a bit more from the Letters before we apply this to Túrin Turambar. In the same letter cited by Flieger (#181), Tolkien writes that Elves and Men were

not therefore in any sense conceived or made by the… Valar, and were called the Eruhíni or Children of God, and were for the Valar an incalculable element: that is they were rational creatures of free will in regard to God, of the same historical rank as the Valar, though of far smaller spiritual and intellectual power and status.” They are the result of “the One… [who] reserves the right to intrude the finger of God into the story.

Also, in Letter #153, he writes:

Free Will is derivative, and is only operative within provided circumstances; but in order that it may exist, it is necessary that the Author should guarantee it, whatever betides: [especially] when it is against His Will, as we say, at any rate as it appears on a finite view. He does not stop or make unreal sinful acts and their consequences.

So, Free Will is derivative—that is, it is both granted and guaranteed by “the Author” (in this case, Eru)—and it is inherent in the nature of the Eruhíni (Elves and Men, as well as Dwarves [his ‘children by adoption’] and, presumably, Hobbits). Thus, we can safely say that Túrin possessed Free Will and that it was guaranteed, even when he acted in opposition to Ilúvatar. But we also know that he was subject to Providence, Fate and Chance.

But now we get to the big question: what about the Curse? Could Morgoth actually negate the Free Will with which Túrin was endowed by Ilúvatar? To answer that, let’s ask a different question: could Ilúvatar himself ever actually negate the Free Will with which he endowed his creatures?

From Letter #153 and an observation of the evidence in the books, it would seem not. For one example, we have the “chance meeting” between Gandalf and Thorin in Bree, where Gandalf knew—with an unusual certainty—that he must persuade Thorin to take Bilbo on the Quest of Erebor. It wasn’t really a chance meeting, of course — and Gandalf’s conviction that he must persuade Thorin seems to have come from outside himself. These two facts point to the outside intervention by “the finger of God” that Tolkien talked about in Letter #181. But nevertheless, Gandalf’s actions were still made freely — as were Thorin’s, who could have remained steadfast in his initial decision to not invite Bilbo. These were not acts of compulsion — anymore than Bilbo’s decision to join the Company was an act of compulsion. These were all acts of Free Will — but the end results came about through the combination of Free Will and Fate (the temporal manifestation of Providence).

A second example that I mentioned briefly earlier was Frodo’s being “meant” to take the Ring. As Elrond says, “If I understand aright all that I have heard, he said, I think that this task is appointed for you, Frodo; and that if you do not find a way, no one will.” So it is something he is meant to do; fated, one might say… or even doomed. But at the same time, he is not compelled to do it — Elrond makes this clear when he says, “But if you take it freely, I will say that your choice is right.”

When faced with Chances that Providence brought to further Fate, Gandalf, Thorin, Bilbo, and Frodo all still exercise their Free Will in order to take the actions that they take.

So it is with Túrin. He may be intended—by Morgoth, by Glaurung, by the Curse—to make terrible decisions. But if Ilúvatar could not negate the Free Will that his creatures were gifted with, then Morgoth (who, though powerful, does not compare to Ilúvatar) certainly could not. This can be seen even more clearly in one key moment (in Ch. IX of Children of Húrin) when Morgoth “began to fear that Túrin would grow to such a power that the curse that he had laid upon him would become void, and he would escape the doom that had been designed for him, or else that he might retreat to Doriath and be lost to his sight again.”

Let’s look at the end of that first: “…he might retreat to Doriath and be lost to his sight again.” Again. That’s crucial. In other words, Túrin was lost to Morgoth’s sight when he was in Doriath. This strongly implies that the Curse is ineffective—or at the least, less effective—when Túrin is out of Morgoth’s sight. If that’s the case, then all the events in Doriath were entirely avoidable, even if the Curse is otherwise efficacious. The killing of Saeros, the decision to reject the King’s judgment and to leave Doriath are all choices that Túrin made entirely on his own, unaffected by the power of Morgoth.

We see further evidence of the Girdle limiting Morgoth’s power later in the version of the tale in The Silmarillion (in “Of the Ruin of Doriath”) when Húrin arrives in Menegroth with the Nauglamir. After chastising Thingol and Melian, she reminds Húrin that he was seeing “all things crooked”. Then,

Húrin stood moveless, and he gazed long into the eyes of the Queen; and there in Menegroth, defended still by the Girdle of Melian from the darkness of the Enemy, he read the truth of all that was done… (emphasis added)

Further proof that the Girdle defended Húrin—and thus, also Túrin—from the power of Morgoth’s curse when they were in Doriath.

But even if that’s a stretch (and I’m not willing to concede that it is), let’s look at the first part of that quote: where Morgoth feared that Túrin would become powerful enough that the Curse would become void. First, let’s note that it was “the doom that had been designed for him”, not the doom that had been set in stone and made inevitable. Morgoth designed this doom, intended it, purposed it — but there’s nothing here to suggest that it was unavoidable.

Instead, we see that Morgoth knows that his Curse could potentially become void — he knows that it is entirely possible for Túrin to escape the fate designed for him by Morgoth. He knows this could happen in one of two ways: either Túrin grows too powerful, or he retreats to a place where Morgoth’s power does not run.

Follow this for a moment, then:

  1. Morgoth knows the Curse could possibly become void.
  2. The Curse could, therefore, become void in actual fact, even if only under limited circumstances.
  3. If the Curse could possibly become void under any circumstances, then the Curse is not inescapable fate.
  4. If the Curse is not inescapable fate, then Túrin was not doomed to that fate.

We have one other bit of evidence to show that Morgoth’s Curse was not unavoidably effective. Going back to “Of the Ruin of Doriath”, we follow Húrin’s travels after the tragic deaths of his children. He finds Morwen and, after a brief but incredibly poignant conversation, she also dies. He looks at her face in death, though, and knows with certainty: “She was not conquered.” Remember: Morgoth told Húrin that this Curse was “upon all whom you love”… and Húrin certainly loved Morwen. The fact that she was not conquered is further evidence that the Curse was not unavoidable and that Túrin, the self-named Master of Doom, could have avoided the doom designed for him by Morgoth.

Of course, to avoid such doom, Túrin would have had to make better choices, and act with humility and self-restraint. In fact, it is Túrin’s pride and arrogance that is most often to blame for his misfortunes — not the Curse of Morgoth. Almost all of Túrin’s choices stem from pride — his ofermod, to borrow another term that Tolkien spoke of. From his rejection of the King’s pardon to the decision to take up his father’s helm again, from building the bridge across the Narog to his refusal of Ulmo’s commands, from returning home rather than pursuing Finduilas’ captors and even to his suicide, pride appears to be the driving force behind most (if not all) of his poor choices.

The tale of Túrin Turambar is not a tale of inescapable Fate, but a tragic tale of foolishness and pride.


I was inspired to tackle this subject after reading Troels Forchammer’s excellent essay, “Fate and Free Will in Tolkien’s Middle-earth.” Forchammer goes much deeper into the philosophical matters than I can in this short piece; I highly recommend it.

2 For those who wish to get lost in the philosophical weeds on this, see https://plato.stanford.edu/archives/spr2006/entries/freewill for more.

3 Scholars today doubt the attribution to King Alfred, and the translation now is often referred to merely as the Old English Boethius.

4 Tom Shippey, The Road to Middle-earth, Houghton Mifflin, 2003, p.141

5 Dubs’ piece was published in full in Tolkien and the Invention of Myth: A Reader published by The University Press of Kentucky (2004).

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  • That’s a wonderful essay, Alan! It seems to be one of the most thought-provoking issues – why poor Túrin was the way he was. I agree that his pride and arrogance were more powerful than Morgoth’s curse. He definitely is in league with a certain Elf, whom we all know very well, when it comes to being proud and arrogant 😀

    • Thank you, Olga — I’m not sure I’ll be writing anything of this length again soon, as it took me far too much time to assemble, so I’m glad it was worth it! 🙂

      Poor Túrin is certainly more pitiable (in that classic-Greek way, h/t Aristotle via Shawn in our last episode) than that unnamed piñata we keep smacking around. But there’s no escaping the conclusion that he still had free will.

      I was reminded the other day (and this is something I didn’t touch on at all in my essay for a number of reasons, length chief among them) about the ultimate fate of Túrin in the End. The glorious opportunity to avenge himself and his kin against Morgoth is significant and speaks, in my mind at least, to Tolkien’s pity for the character, despite that free will and his poor choices.

      • Your time was totally worth the result – I’ve enjoyed the essay a lot and it’s clarified some moments for me.
        I feel totally sorry for Túrin. Being one of those unlucky guys, whose whole lives go amiss, deserves pity. His chance to avenge himself is definitely a topic for another essay 🙂 There’s so much to say there! But yes, he deserves this chance. It seems that by assigning such a fate in the End to him, Tolkien wanted readers to pity Túrin, rather than hate, as I know some do. Which is very different from that other guy’s fate who wasn’t even let out of Mandos.

        • Agreed — it’s clear that this is one way in which Tolkien distinguishes between someone whose evil motives lay behind nearly all of his choices (Fëanor) and someone whose fallen nature lay behind most of his unfortunate choice (Túrin). Perhaps I’ll put that end-times analysis on the back burner for a future Pondering!

  • Alan, well done. The point about Húrin seeing the truth in Melian’s eyes is an important one, especially since we never see Túrin in Doriath again. And your interpretation of Húrin’s “She was not conquered” makes me hear it differently than I always have. I now here the emphasis on “She”, that is, even if their children were, Morwen was not. It also made me think of the moment when Macbeth — someone else conspired against by powerful forces, but who makes himself subject to them by his own choices — is informed that his wife is dead, and he replies “She should have died hereafter.” I’m not sure if that means anything, but as you know Tolkien knew his Macbeth.

    Questions of Fate and Free Will are always complex, and vexing since people often think of Fate as something that must happen. Even in The Iliad Fate is not like that. There are many passages that make it clear that Fate is more of a plan than anything else. When Sarpedon is about to die, Zeus wants to save him contrary to his fate. Hera tells him that he can do it. He has the power. But if he does, then every god will do the same for their favorites, and well, it’s the slippery slope after that. There are also places where gods have to stop characters from killing other characters whose fate is not to die that day, or to Troy from falling before it is it’s Fate to fall. My favorite is when Achilles meets Aeneas on the battlefield and is on the point of killing him contrary to his fate when Poseidon shows up and flings him to the far side of the battlefield. The rest is Roman History.

    • Thank you kindly, Tom. Until we got to the remainder of Húrin’s tale, I honestly hadn’t put two and two together and realized just how strongly that proved the case of Túrin’s free will — at least within Doriath. Even the decisions by Morwen to leave, and of Nienor to follow, were also made entirely of their own volition — which speaks poorly of Morwen, yet she was still not conquered. I love that moment… chokes me up. 🙂

      The comparison to Macbeth is a good one — and one I honestly hadn’t considered, probably because it’s been far too long since I’ve read Macbeth!

      The idea of ‘fate’ — especially the notion that you pointed out of a ‘must-happen’ conclusion, a predetermined result — is indeed a sticky wicket. That’s why this essay took me a long time to put together — and I *still* feel like it could use more clarity!

    • “Fate is more of a plan than anything else.” I love this summation, and it’s consistent with Tolkien’s words about Elves and Men in the beginning of The Silmarillion (which we’ve spent so much time with). We devoted so many hours to this discussion in the podcast, that I can’t remember whether I ever articulated — at least, I can’t remember if I said it while we were recording — my analogy of ocean currents. My own way of seeing this (and this is based on a limited view of Boethius or any other philosopher with something to say about it) is to see fate as a current that one can either swim with, or against. If you swim against it, you may be strong enough to prevail; or you may not. I don’t know how much sense that makes to anyone else, but it works for me.

  • Excellent Alan! I thoroughly enjoyed it! It gives a lot to ponder about. I am one to believe that the curse was real and did have effect on all of them. . . to a certain degree (Morgoth wasn’t powerful enough) and that the choices each of them made either fueled the curse’s effectiveness or helped them with trudging on with this curse over their heads. With Túrin, his attitude had much to do with his choices. I believe (even before he learned about the curse) he let it weigh him down and get the best of him.

    • Thanks, AMC — glad you enjoyed the (very long) read. 🙂

      I don’t disagree that the curse was real and had *some* power. But, as you pointed out, Túrin’s own attitude (often pride) led to the poor choices he made. It’s definitely a tragic tale and one that makes you realize, ‘There but for the grace of Ilúvatar, go I’.

  • A worthy essay! [And now I am even more looking forward to delving into Boethius in the next Mythgard Academy course!] It sometimes seems to me that the Edain especially were probably too much aware of the difference in Men’s relationship to Fate: that Men were supposed to be able to shape their destiny in a way which the Elves could not. [Kinda the consolation prize for not getting immortality.] Túrin always seemed to be striving to master his destiny all on his own. Alas! … a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, particularly where humility is lacking.

    • I’m jealous — I was hoping to audit that Boethius course, but I’m simply too busy to get my money’s worth. Maybe next time! 🙂

      But yes, it does seem the Edain were very aware of their own powers of self-determination. As for whether that’s a good thing or a bad thing, I’m not sure… well, in Túrin’s case, the answer is clear, but maybe not everywhere else. 🙂

  • Indeed, this is a fine essay! And forgive me, but I must….

    ♫ “There are those [like Túrin] who [rightly] think
    That they were dealt a losing hand [by Morgoth]
    The cards were stacked against them [throughout Middle-earth, except where powers like the Girdle of Melian held sway]
    They weren’t born in Lotusland [nor Valinor, but rather in Dor-lómin]”

    “All [or at least mostly] preordained
    A prisoner in chains [like Húrin]
    A victim of venomous [Glaurung-blooded] fate
    Kicked in the face
    You can pray for a place
    In Heaven’s [or the Blessed Realm’s] unearthly estate” ♫

      • Alan, this is making me realize that we need to start doing more Tolkien-related parody lyrics. This one isn’t as cool as Rush, but I’m pretty sure I can come up with an entire song cycle about the Flight of the Noldor to “Frozen” tunes.

  • Alan, your essay is extremely thoughtful but you take for granted that free will is real. The latest that I’ve heard and read says that free will is something our brain convinces us that we have. (For an entree: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/mind-guest-blog/what-neuroscience-says-about-free-will/. For a more horrifying and in-depth look: https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/revising-fault-line).

    One could argue: a.)Tolkien believed in free will, b.)Tolkien wrote these texts. Thus, Elves and Men must have free will. That shield would be a reasonable one to use but I cannot do that, nor am I willing to dismiss Tolkien’s stories simply because he was wrong or misguided about a few details. My incapability to let this free will thing slide and my love for Tolkien’s texts forces me to look for new interpretations.

    You all have often emphasized the line that Eru spoke: “For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument“. Further, as you have said in this essay, Eru is atemporal. If Eru has an omniscient view of the universe and everything manifests itself according to Eru’s plan, then saying that anyone has free will is folly. Such an awesome power as Eru, who must know all ends, would not suffer anything to happen that was not part of ‘the plan’; this insight in turn supports the idea that free will is not a thing.

    Free will has been used for a long time to try to explain or excuse humans’ bad behavior. Considering, however, that Eru is omniscient and atemporal, Eru must have known that this ‘evil’ was going to happen. Ultimately, Eru is the source of everything, including that which we would call ‘evil’ because that’s part of everything. That being the case, one must at least allow for the possibility that men are wrong and that what we deem ‘evil’ or ‘bad’ isn’t evil at all, but rather some smaller part of Eru’s greater plan.

    It does bother to some extent how you heap guilt on parties like Fëanor and Túrin. I will not say that I condone all of the actions of these two characters but I do take a slightly different approach to them. Given that, as you all have said, Eru uses everyone as a tool to accomplish his ends, it must be the case that the evil that Fëanor wrought is a necessary evil in the long arc of overcoming Arda marred. The case is the same with Túrin. Please just contemplate it for a moment, I know it’s uncomfortable and it does not necessarily reflect my view of reality but at least in the case of Tolkien’s universe, it might just be that all the ‘evil’ that came from Fëanor and Túrin were in fact needed in order to overcome Morgoth’s evil. It’s easy to wish that things went differently, but then they wouldn’t be the people that created such beauty or good. They must be appreciated for the complex characters that they are, like every one of our heroes in real life, they are not perfect and cannot be expected to be so.

    • Thank you for an insightful reply, Richard — even though we’ll have to agree to disagree here. Whether it’s here in the Primary World, or in Tolkien’s Secondary World, I believe moral free agency is quite real even if we cannot fully understand the way it functions. Perhaps moral free agency differs from free will in the way that you understand it; I don’t know, but that’s beyond the scope of my original essay and my reply. 🙂

      I’ll leave my discussion of the Primary World aside for the most part, because my theological beliefs aren’t particularly relevant to Tolkien’s legendarium. Instead, I’ll say that Tolkien made it quite clear throughout his sub-creation that a combination of free agency *and* fate worked to accomplish Ilúvatar’s goals.

      That is, there are two ‘wills’ in Eru: (1) his eternal/absolute will, that refers to what *shall* be, and (2) his revealed/moral will, that refers to what *should* be. The former cannot be thwarted (and it’s what we’ve referred to on the show as SPBMI), while the latter is freely obeyed or disobeyed by individuals possessing moral free agency.

      To accept your position, one would have to conclude that the revealed/moral will does not exist and that *all* things — including every evil thought, word and deed — are in Eru’s absolute will and that no one is responsible for their decisions. After all, in your view, they are not decisions at all, but the mere carrying out of Eru’s pre-determined will, the functioning of a simple automaton.

      In the Primary World, one reason why theologians would argue that moral free agency exists is the fact that God holds men accountable for their actions — moral culpability requires moral free agency. Admittedly, we cannot *know* this with absolute certainty during our finite and incarnate lives, so the question is still a valid one in the Primary World — I won’t try to answer it here.

      But in Tolkien’s Secondary World, there is no such ‘unknown’. The creator god in Tolkien’s universe clearly ascribes moral culpability as seen in multiple examples. Moral culpability requires moral free agency; therefore, moral free agency exists in Middle-earth. (The fact that Men have a different quantity/quality of free will is another discussion.)

      As a final note, while we often condemn Fëanor on the show for his actions, there is no doubting that he is an incredibly complex character and a wonderful addition to the tale. All good stories involve a Fall, and the fall of Fëanor is second only to the fall of Melkor in its scope and sorrow. None of us expect him to be perfect; but the universal lack of perfection does not justify the great evils he committed. Túrin’s tale is similar in that regard — though Tolkien suggests in several places that there may be a different level of culpability for Túrin than for Fëanor.

  • Very thoughtful article, although I’m not sure I agree with everything. Tolkien’s great sympathy for Túrin’s character, the very special fate he gives Túrin, the fact that he had an alternative title for the story (The Tale of the Curse of Morgoth), and the following words lead me to believe the Curse was more powerful than is often believed.
    ‘So ended the tale of Túrin the hapless; the worst of the works of Morgoth among Men in the ancient world.’
    What do you make of this quote, if I may ask?

    • Hello, and thanks for reading and replying (it’s been awhile as you can see by the age of the comments!)…

      Indeed, Tolkien had great sympathy for the tragic figure of Túrin – as do I, despite his poor choices. Túrin’s final fate at the end of the Dagor Dagorath is something I’m thrilled to see – not to mention the fact that he’s listed as one of the Elf-friends of old.

      That said, while it’s fair to say the Curse was very powerful indeed, the fact that he was out of its control (out of its sight) while in Doriath means that many of his bad decisions were made explicitly outside the Curse. As is so often the case in Tolkien, it’s not A *or* B, it’s both A *and* B. He was certainly cursed, certainly hapless – and, in some cases, it seems his decisions were driven by the Curse. But for others, the Curse wasn’t in effect, and so our sympathy is perhaps lessened a tiny amount.

  • I suspect it is not coincidence that two people in the story of Turin (if we take the novelization that Alan mentioned into account) are said to have had club feet. The name Oedipus means “clubfoot.” Tragic indeed.

  • To me, pride seems to be its own sort of curse sung into existence by Melkor/Ilúvitar. I say that only to extend a little more grace to Túrin. I believe he could have overcome his curses, but the deck seemed fully stacked against him and he still did some good.

    My head has been buzzing with what would the Túrin resurrection/redemption arc be. Maybe this time he finds the cure for that pride.

    I also want to say as a first time commenter that the podcast and all its subsidiaries are wonderful and I’ve been enjoying them a lot. Thank you!

    • I certainly agree that the deck was stacked against him; it will be interesting to revisit his story in a couple of years in more extended detail on the PPP!

      Thanks for the kind words about the shows; I’m glad you’re enjoying them all!

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